Tuesday, September 20, 2011

frebby's 2011

i've been thinking about the frebby's this year for a while.  i wouldn't say that i've been thinking about it since last year's show, but i would say that i've followed it this year, and even went back and looked at some of the winners from last year.

when they announced tickets being on sale, i thought about whether or not i would like to attend this year.  to be completely honest and give full disclosure, i went last year because adam, carrie and i were nominated for fresno pub quiz.  i'm not exactly sure what category it was that we were nominated in (i think it was action or connection).  i'm not exactly sure who nominated us or how many nominations we received, but i know we (adam) did one.  i don't know how it was judged, or who won our category.  what i do know is that we didn't win.  and please believe me, i'm alright with that.  of course, i would have loved to won, but that's alright, you don't always win.  and, what we do @ pub quiz that i'm so proud of is our weekly event, and how we manage to decently interact with our attendees through the net, especially facebook.

last year, the event itself was fine.  adam and i bought tickets (i wonder if oscar nominees buy tickets?) and went to the award show at the downtown club.  they had a nice appetizer spread, and the bar was serving decently priced drinks.  we mingled with people, and i actually met a few local twitter folks i hadn't met in person.  i thought the keynote presentation was decent enough, but really, i was there to find out if we won.   i would imagine that is what all the nominees wanted to know.  anyway, after the event, we hung out for a little bit more and then took off. 

like i said before, the event was fine, but it's an awards ceremony.  i 've been to plenty of those through my academic and athletic careers.  i've won some, lost some, but in general, an awards show is only so fun in my opinion.  i don't know if i've ever met someone that said they just love to go to award shows, even if it's not connected to them at all.

so, when this year's event was announced, i decided that i probably wouldn't go.  when i heard the price of admission had gone up, i was less inclined and pretty sure i wasn't going.  since none of the stuff i do on the 'net were nominated, and i didn't nominate myself for the blog, podcast or pub quiz,  it pretty much sealed it that i wasn't going.

but something interesting happened today on twitter.  roque of dumbdrum.com asked via twitter, " So besides the award show, what other things should people expect on Thursday? Trying to sell some coworkers on attending."  he also tweeted about how he was going, but again, was trying to convince new people to go.

rightly so, @frebbyawards replied, " the main focus is the awards, of course, but there will be fun booths to browse upstairs & an afterparty at ."

@alisa_m, who works for paprika studios (who puts on the frebby's) also replied, " I would also add that it's a great way to get introduced to people heavily engaged online or in the business doing cool stuff."

being me, i stuck my nose in where it probably doesn't belong and asked "no dis intended, but can anyone not connected to frebbys give reasons why ppl should go?"

i received two responses.  the first, was from @abelopez and i'm only assuming that it was in reply to my question, " *crickets chirping* (I'm getting a lot of use out of this today)" because it was pretty much right after.

the other was from someone who has a protected account, so i won't say who it was, but here's the tweet, " good food, good presentation, great group of the most creative folks in time." - i'm assuming town was meant there at the end.


one of the other people behind paprika studios and the frebby's, james collier (whom we've had on the podcast, speaking about paprika & the frebbys)  replied, "beautiful - thanks (name redacted)."

james also tweeted, "@brodiemash I can only speak as someone connected to the event, but several of your peers were nominated"

i dunno, that answer just doesn't do it for me.  why would a non web designer go?  i mean, i can get good and network at a lot of events.  i mean, creative fresno has blenders every month, and has a bartender challenge, featuring my anonymous twitterer as one of the bartenders, tonight.  there is flyp, putting on events.  we have art hop.  the beehive consistently puts on great events were people can come, meet up with the creative/cool folks in town, and on and on.  why would i want to go to an awards show?

let's throw some more stuff into the mix:
  • the fresno internets has their "cool kids."  the top blogs, the ones that get links on other blogs, the ones that either are the new hot shit or the tried and true cool ones.  i'm not bragging, but i was in that cool kids group.   i'd like to think that i still am to some extent, but i realize my blogging has gone to crap and i rarely do it, and our podcast takes off two or more months off between episodes.  not exactly the way to stay top of the heap.  to me, and this is only my opinion, there is a bit of "the cool kids of fresno's internets are going to be there, so you should be there."  i was listening to the fresnan on a recently episode of the dirty dowdy podcast, and they mentioned the frebbys, what it was and so on.  they were nominated, and going to the show.  but, they did bring up the "inner click" of the fresno interwebs: mike oz, the fresnan, james collier, travis sheridan - and how they (dirty dowdy) were outside of it.  furthering that, let's throw out another event that fresno internets cool kids routinely mock, including myself...
  • fresno magazine's best of fresno event - in no way will i defend how they pick their winners.  i have no idea how their ridiculous winners.  then again, all we know about the frebbys is that they have a panel of judges that rate each nominee on a 1-10 scale looking @ creativy + innovation, effectiveness, & expertise.  most award ceremonies are pretty subjective, and i would imagine that fresno magazine has some criteria for their awards.  but, i will defend the event itself.  the best of fresno has a ton of food samples from legitimately top restaurants in town.  they have free wine samples from local vineyards.  they had free stella artois on tap the year i went.  but, i could say from my experience that the best of fresno event is, "great food & drinks, an awards presentation, and a ton of people.  some you'd want to talk to, some you wouldn't."  honestly, i had a better time at the best of fresno awards than at the frebby's.  that isn't said to knock the frebby's.  i just had a better time.
now, the frebby's and best of fresno are award ceremonies about two different things, although the best of fresno does have a web category.  the frebbys is more specific and focused on specific web categories, and that's good - since they're a web award show.   but i'm still left at a point wondering why anyone that isn't a web designer or a nominated group would go?  and again, this isn't intended as a slight against the frebby's or any people or group.  i'm just thinking out loud here, and trying to be thorough as i work through it.  and i just don't have an answer.

what do you think?

41 comments:

james said...

Ed, there's a lot to respond to here, but I'm going to leave most of your questions here about the Frebbys unanswered. In part, because the mystique is good, but also because of your response to Roque after Jaime responded, noting her response to your question as a "defense." What's to defend if you're just thinking out loud?

I'll say this: we *could* focus on food, and drinks, and all sorts of other things, but the purpose of the event is to highlight talented people in the community. The spotlight's on them, not on the trappings. That's not to say we're gathering in an empty room - we want people to have a good time.

This is something we're doing as a labor of love, and it costs money - for the artist's time in creating the awards, for the venue and insurance and security and a lot of other things. We have some generous sponsors, but to cover the remaining expenses, we've asked attendees to buy a ticket.

Is there a close network of friends that are connected to this? You bet. But it's bigger than that. And our judges span beyond not only a circle of bloggers, but beyond the geographic bounds of the city - we have two judges providing industry perspective from larger external markets. And the crew of people that have helped to organize this year's event represent a large cross-section of the community.

Why would a non-web designer go? Because he or she wants to support the work of others, or because he or she has another connection to the web. This year's winners exemplify that, as will be shown on Thursday.

Sorry to hear you won't be joining us. It's shaping up to be a good time.

edluv said...

james,
in saying defense in my reply to roque, i misspoke. i should've said reasons. i didn't think jaime was defending frebby's as much as answering the question. poor word choice. my apology.

now, in regard to your reason why people should go (support others, another connection to the web) can you clarify that second part? it sounds pretty vague. i mean, someone with an internet connection has a connection to the web. someone with a myspace page that they dolled up with sparkly things has a connection, but i doubt you're meaning either of those. so, could you clarify for me?

to be clear about your response to me, i didn't say that the judges were just a circle of bloggers, nor do i think it's a problem that there is a connected group of friends behind a lot of events in fresno, or even a "cool kids" blogger group in fresno. just noting that there is such a thing in fresno, and replies like "most creative folks in town" (jamie's response) feed into that notion. that's not your problem to solve, and maybe it's not even a problem. but, if part of the reason that jaime gave, and you backed, is that most creative folks will be there, what makes it different than going to one of the other creative events that they'll be at?

edluv said...

i posted the link to this on facebook, and alisa_m commented over there. i'm reposting her comments here, with her permission to add to the discussion.

"Alisa Manjarrez I appreciate your honest thoughts here, Ed. I'm dying to know if you're going to go after all this! Are you going to wait and decide at the last minute?

Edward Stewart thanks for the reply. i dunno, very unlikely that i'd go - the whole not that interested in award shows. of course, in spending so much time thinking, writing, linking, revising and looking at related material actually piqued my interest.

Alisa Manjarrez
I've been telling people that this is for the web community, by the web community. It's put into place to honor those who are doing an excellent job at anything web-related: podcasts, blogs, websites, apps, even really interesting twitter feeds. Fresno Pub Quiz was a top nominee because you guys were awesome at bringing people together in person using the web to do that. I view you as a long-time supporter and participator in the web community. But it is what it is - an awards/recognition event, ya know?

Edward Stewart true, it is what it is. which is part of why roque asked his initial question. would you care to repost your comments over on the blog? or would you care if i did?

Alisa Manjarrez feel free to post my comments :) (can you fix that typo, too? I missed the word "do" in "using the web to do that," haha)."

-typo fixed, btw.

@dollgina said...

I am going this year to see what it's all about. I am hoping it will be a fun award show fit for public consumption rather than something that will only appeal to programmers and designers. If nothing else, I'll get to hang out with a bunch of super nerds like you.

NerdMom said...

Ok, this is going to be so girly but I have had a hard week and am needy right now. Harass at will but...;).

I haven't decided if I am going to the Frebby's. I am a local blogger but I am not in the cool kids circle. I follow some on twitter & they follow me but...

If I go to the Frebby's I will be going alone and I am not up for anything. My hubby can't go w/ me and I hate being the odd person out. From seeing some footage from last year (tried to watch it on Justin.tv) I got the feeling that is was a gathering of friends and not a networking deal. As an outsider who would like to get 2 know more of the local web community (& who will b alone) it makes me nervous.

When you tweet, "Who is going" and no one answers...sounds like it is a club deal for a club I'm not in. We will see what I decide...

@dollgina said...

I'm going with some out-of-town friends (who don't know anyone) and my boyfriend...sit with us, I insist!

Mike said...

I think it’s unfortunate that anyone would think this is a gathering of the “cool kids”. If you truly feel that way, it is only because you are classifying them as such. While it is true that a lot of the local web talent are friends (which is a good thing, as this event probably wouldn’t work if everyone hated each other), I can say from experience, and from having met a lot of these “cool kids” just this year, that I have never felt left out or made to feel unwelcome. In fact, it has been quite the opposite; being the new kids on the block we have made a lot of great friends with people who are equally passionate about what we do.

Not attending because you feel you are not part of the cool group; is frankly, BS. That just sounds like a self-pity excuse, you are going out of your way to make yourself feel that you would not enjoy the event, be welcome at the event, be welcomed by others. Networking is what you make of it, you have to attend the event and meet people, socialize, step out of your comfort zone, try something new. I can be painfully shy, especially when meeting new people, so I understand how difficult it can be, especially if you are flying solo, but in reality that’s a pretty weak excuse, go, have a good time, you’re almost guaranteed to see at least one other person you know and who knows where things will go from there?

As far as only attending if you were nominated, some people may feel that way, but that’s a pretty weak argument. Nominations were open for quite a while, so anyone could have submitted nominations for themselves or others, if you weren’t nominated, it’s only because you or someone else didn’t take the time to do it. You should attend if you are passionate about the web, creativity, supporting the local web/creative community, supporting nominees, networking, socializing, etc. I don’t quite understand what needs to be specified? There are so many ways that you can be “connected to the web”, you have your own blog, you follow other blogs, you have your own website, you have a facebook fan page, you have a twitter account, you built a website, you built an app, you work for a company with a great website/app, your friends uncles cousins wife’s nephew built a website for your neighbor that kicks ass…I mean really, how much clarification do you need on the various ways we interact with the web on a daily basis? Unless you use the web, log off, and feel absolutely no connection to what you are doing or with others who are doing it, I don’t see why you wouldn’t want to support the people who are making it all possible in the first place.

On top of that, in an effort to appeal to a broader audience the Frebby Awards are not just focused on the awards, there are going to be multiple vendor booths including: Friends of the Fresno County Public Library, E13ctron, Iron Bird Beauty Bar, P*DE*Q, 90.7 KFSR, Tioga Sequoia, Twee Boutique and Creative Fresno, plus the La Elegante taco truck, Fulton 55 has a full bar with affordable drinks, a cool venue, there is going to be an after party for everyone to hang out and talk, meet each other, put faces to names, etc. In reality, you are never going to please everyone; everyone is going to have their own idea of what would make the event worth it to them.
A lot of time, planning, and money has gone in to making this event possible from a very small group of people. It is a web event for the web community, like Alisa said, but it’s a very cool event that is unlike anything that Fresno has ever done, and it’s likely you won’t find another event like this, I certainly haven’t heard of any other cities honoring their local web superstars. The only other event would be the Addy awards, and well…the web community has plenty to say about those so we won’t go there.

Mike said...

If you classify it as a club, or a “cool kids” group, then that is all it’s ever going to be to you, and that’s unfortunate, because I feel it is a very unfair and unfounded point of view, if you took a chance you might be pleasantly surprised and learn that it really isn’t about that at all. I am fortunate enough to be a nominee this year, but even if I wasn’t, I would be attending, because I support the web community, I am passionate about it, I am supportive of others doing it, and overall I think it makes us stronger. If you don’t attend, I think you’ll be missing out on a great time and a really cool event. Just try it, you could always blog complaints after it’s over :)

floyd said...

Someone should go to the Frebby awards if they're interested in seeing examples of innovative and effective uses of the web by members of the local community.

Since the internet has steadily opened up in recent years to accommodate the broadcasting needs of everyone from couples planning a wedding, to new mothers to small businesses, the segment of the population who would be interested in seeing a curated selection of examples of the web used in novel ways by members of the local community.

If you don't give a shit about that, and see no benefit in learning about and meeting people who are involved in these types of pursuits you probably shouldn't go. It's not a very complicated decision.

floyd said...

I meant:

"...the segment of the population who would be interested in seeing a curated selection of examples of the web used in novel ways by members of the local community, it stand to reason, should also be growing proportionately."

Travis said...

Ed,
I actually like a lot of the things you've mentioned here (there is not "but..." coming).

I think it's important to question the value of various events. I was out of town last year and was sorry to miss the Frebbys. This year I am i town and going. There will always be questions about criteria, categories and cost. I say this, "I trust that the motives are pure." I might be blind to some big conspiracy, but as a person who has put on events, people don't get rich in the marketplace by hosting events. Team Frebby will probably use a lot of the chatter to improve the event if is continues.

I am in the business of rewarding and encouraging risk-takers. It's my passion. Seriously. I applaud risk-takers for having balls, putting their own skin ($$$ & reputation) in the game. Pub Quiz is one example, Frebbys is another. Fresno better keep it up. If we don't take risk, embrace failure, and keep pressing, then we suck as a community.

Travis

PS - "cool kids?" Really? That was a little weak.

Nicole said...

Here's all I can say from my personal perspective: I didn't know any of these "cool kids" until about six months ago, even though I've been on Twitter consistently for years. I just happened to get involved with Creative Fresno and it tumbled into more interaction from there. It's one of the greatest things to happen to me, as a 22-year-old new graduate from Fresno State who knows nothing about web design but loves what people in Fresno can so with it. I was lucky enough to be on the planning committee for the Frebbys this year -- even as I moved to Berkeley for grad school. And you can bet I am already back in Fresno to start preparing for a celebration of some of the most diverse and creative minds tomorrow night. It's been nothing but a positive experience for me, and I'd gladly volunteer my time again. I hope you give the awards ceremony another chance. They're only trying to promote Fresno locals, not hinder them as so many others do. I will always back that, even from 200 miles away.

@dollgina said...

T and M, way to make someone feel welcome! Jeez.

@NerdMom You can sit with me, k?

Mike said...

Gina, it wasn't my intention to make people feel unwelcome at all, but the "cool kids" argument is weak, I just tried to demonstrate why.

Anonymous said...

I believe local support is important.

The Frebbys is still in its infancy stage so it would be foolish to criticize the event or the people behind it. The folks who continue to contribute to it have done a great job creating something from nothing. For those of you who have never helped organize an event, try it. I haven't, but I've seen the work that goes into it. It's not easy.

At the same time, I believe local creative folks could benefit more if they stepped outside the local bubble more often and think big.

The Adobe Design Achievement Awards.
The International Davey Awards.
The Shorty Awards.
The Pixel Awards.
The Webby Awards.

Sure, having a few Frebby awards in your office may look nice, but what what happens after that?

"Nothing limits achievement like small thinking..." - William Arthur Ward

Dirty dowdy said...

Well we now officially have 8 listeners. Nice to be referenced. I just hope people listen to conversation to understand the context of that quote.

NerdMom said...

DollGina, Thanks! I will be looking for you;).

Travis & Mike, I know I said you could pick on me 4 being needed but come on;). I was doing writing with the kids and was on simple word mode and u were warned I was in needy girl mode;).

Cool kids is an over simplification and does make it seem that I don't know anyone at all. I know quite a few ppl who will b there but not any of them well. I think you all r very nice and that is why I am interested in the Frebby's, follow many on twitter, etc.

And yes, I analyze how everything will be (with pros and cons) bcz I don't have a lot over extra time. For me to go means that I will lose family time so I analyze everything! Don't take that personally;).

Natali said...

I think the Frebbys on the whole is a great concept and I appreciate the existence and idea behind them greatly. For me personally, like many other very cool events, The Frebbys are held on a weeknight, which makes it tricky for me to attend. As a parent, my sitters are grandparents, but they work M-F so simply aren't available weekday nights, not late enough at least- and paying $30 for my husband and I to attend and finding a non-family sitter and paying them as well makes it a night not in our budget currently. I applaud the nominees and committee and hope it's a smashing success.

edluv said...

travis,
to be fair, the cool kids of the fresno internets idea has been around for a few years, generally thrown out there when people have felt excluded. it's not my concept, and i've been included in it. i'm not saying that this is why i'm not going, because it isn't. the cool kids was only a reference point, and came to mind listening to people talk about why you should go to the frebbys in conjunction with listening to dirty dowdy/fresnan talk about fuse festival. fuse, as i'm sure you know, isn't known about by everyone in fresno. and sometimes when people talk about it, there is the attitude like 'oh, you don't know about that?' i have caught a little feeling of that regarding frebbys. i know about it, i went last year and had a decent time.

but, when the reason to go to an event is that all the "creatives/fun/drunk/whateveradjective you want to use" are going to be there i may want a little more.

i'm sure roque was doing a good job explaining what the event was from his experience. and so he asked for something more. which brings us to this post.

edluv said...

i agree that people should listen to that dirty dowdy episode to hear the proper fuse context. i should have more clearly indicated that they weren't saying anything negative about frebby's or necessarily the inner ring of fresno internet. they were excited about frebbys, winning an award, and exposing themselves.

edluv said...

mike,
this is a great sales pitch for the event,
"On top of that, in an effort to appeal to a broader audience the Frebby Awards are not just focused on the awards, there are going to be multiple vendor booths including: Friends of the Fresno County Public Library, E13ctron, Iron Bird Beauty Bar, P*DE*Q, 90.7 KFSR, Tioga Sequoia, Twee Boutique and Creative Fresno, plus the La Elegante taco truck, Fulton 55 has a full bar with affordable drinks, a cool venue, there is going to be an after party for everyone to hang out and talk, meet each other, put faces to names, etc"

i truly mean that. was all that info public? i've looked @ the frebby website (which i think is beautiful looking) and i didn't see that. was it released elsewhere? seriously, that description would help me see why it costs what it does, and help me evaluate if it's how i want to spend my entertainment dollars.

edluv said...

james,
this has been bugging me since you posted yesterday because it seems a bit petty and i'm wondering if you'd like to speak on it.

"I'm going to leave most of your questions here about the Frebbys unanswered. In part, because the mystique is good, but also because of your response to Roque after Jaime responded, noting her response to your question as a "defense." What's to defend if you're just thinking out loud?"

did you really get upset over the word choice defense?

edluv said...

nerdmom,
thanks for chiming in and willing to be vulnerable. it sounds terrible to say, but i'm glad to know, glad to have you voice your feelings of being an outsider. groups can become very insular, and perhaps the fresno internet community needs a little wake up call to work at being more inclusive and receptive, myself included.

if you go to the frebby's, please be bold and track down gina. she's always seemed very welcoming and nice to me, and she even likes and interacts with people i find hella annoying on twitter.

NerdMom said...

Thanks Ed, I appreciate the validation;).

What is weird is that I am involved in various internet communities and just don't feel all that plugged into the local one;). A little like I am skating around the edges;).

I would love to see the Frebby's and the community really grow 2 include everyone. I know ppl n other areas that have strong blogging networks with everything from mommy blogs to the super journalistic ones. I crave that for us.

PS. I didn't hear about the tacos and the booths until like yesterday. I want tacos;).

edluv said...

floyd,
"...the segment of the population who would be interested in seeing a curated selection of examples of the web used in novel ways by members of the local community, it stand to reason, should also be growing proportionately.

If you don't give a shit about that, and see no benefit in learning about and meeting people who are involved in these types of pursuits you probably shouldn't go. It's not a very complicated decision."

i agree, although i don't know if it's quite that simple at all points. more people do care about the internet, and many of them are very passionate about it, even to the point that there careers are based on it. but, does your average fresnan care about who designed a website? or really want to get together for an awards show? i think these are fair questions to ask, especially when you're trying to get them there.

so i'm asking here. and, i think there have been some helpful answers.

edluv said...

travis,
"There will always be questions about criteria, categories and cost. I say this, "I trust that the motives are pure." I might be blind to some big conspiracy, but as a person who has put on events, people don't get rich in the marketplace by hosting events."

sure. but, you'll notice that this isn't really where i'm coming from. i don't think it's a conspiracy or even that it's a waste of money. i did mention that the cost going up was a factor, and that we only know a bit about the how the judging works. i imagine that their judging methods are legit and that they're spending the price of admission on venue and whatever else it costs to put it on. but really, i wrote this post because i had been previously, along with others, and i wasn't hearing a strong explanation of the value of going (my opinion). while i don't expect team frebby to answer every question, to jump at every noise they hear, they may want to help people see the value of their event.

"Team Frebby will probably use a lot of the chatter to improve the event if is continues."

i hope so. we try to use as much of the pub quiz chatter, both online and irl to check on our product. i would imagine that they would do so as well.

edluv said...

nicole,
can you be a bit more specific as to why it's been such a positive experience for you?

floyd said...

I'm not sure where it was implied that those behind the event consider it a lowest-common denominator event, and I don't think they'll ever attract the "average Fresnan." The event has a focus that is decidedly narrow in relation to what the average Fresnan might be interested in. It's not the Big Fresno Fair.

If your argument can be distilled by asking "why would a non web designer go?" A non web designer would go because there's a lot more than web designers using/interested in using the internet to communicate, connect with people, and do business in interesting ways in 2011.

edluv said...

natali,
i agree that the frebbys is a great concept, and i have no doubt the frebby team is working very hard to pull off a fun event.

but, i also think that not everyone sees the value of going to an awards show for the internet. i think that is a very real challenge for team frebby. frankly, i don't envy them on that. they're asking someone to do something that is probably completely out of their norm - award shows, thinking about design, thinking of internet as something other than facebook, google and those pages i visit, and finally even getting out of the house.

the issues you express illustrate many of the real life issues that potential frebby attendees are facing. what sells you to overcome those obstacles and attend? what makes it worth your time/dollar/opportunity cost?

edluv said...

floyd,
"The event has a focus that is decidedly narrow in relation to what the average Fresnan might be interested in. It's not the Big Fresno Fair."

great point. this doesn't have to be an event for everyone. you work in design, right? (antilabs?) does them just having the event get you to go? do you go to other local design award events?

"A non web designer would go because there's a lot more than web designers using/interested in using the internet to communicate, connect with people, and do business in interesting ways in 2011."

again, another pretty good answer why non-design people may want to go. i'm not sure it would sell the average person, but going back to your previous point, perhaps it doesn't have to.

then again, if they want butts in seats at the event...

floyd said...

I'm sure I speak for at least a couple people when I say that I go to events like the Frebbys knowing there will be like-minded people there and, in that, perhaps opportunities on a personal and professional level through being introduced to talented people doing interesting things I didn't know existed in the area.

Again, an opportunity I'm sure many non-designers would find advantageous. My point is that it's obvious the event has a focus. I think it's short-sighted and a bit ignorant to presume that the only people who would be interested in the event would only have one job title.

I'm not going to attend the next area dog show, but I'm surely not going to publicly deride the efforts of its organizer because I don't see a benefit in attending it.

Mike said...

Ed, yes that information is public, you can see it here: http://frebbyawards.com/partners and it is listed under booth partners, it has also been mentioned on Facebook (the fan page and Frebby supporters) and Twitter (the official account and followers).

edluv said...

floyd,
am i publicly deriding the efforts of the frebby organizers? if so, can you please point to where i am doing that.

i feel like i've been honest about my experience last year, and have been very complementary of many elements regarding the frebbys.

edluv said...

mike,
thanks for that link. i had checked their site, and failed to find that particular navigation when i was on there. that's my mistake and i'm surprised that i didn't find it.

as for it being on twitter, looks like i missed it there as well when they linked to the same page on 9/13.

as for facebook, the frebby page isn't something i had liked, so i see how i missed it there.

but, i also thinks this shows how people can miss key details. i don't know if their message was consistent enough, clear enough, or i'm just an idiot, but i didn't know that info. (i really don't konw how i didn't find that page.) how far do you think the average person will go to find that info? and, does seeing the partner page give people an accurate picture of what to expect at the event?

edluv said...

floyd,
again, do you go to other design award events? you're not going to local dog shows, but are you going to award events in your field?

floyd said...

Personally, I have never had an interest to attend industry award ceremonies in my field because from what I understand, they're formatted with a very rigid structure and the focus of the event is too narrow for my taste.

Award events in my field are industry events, and the Frebbys is a cultural event by virtue of the fact that many of the nominees and winners are not defined by their adhesion to a given trade or profession. Many Frebby awards nominees are just people that are passionate about stuff and use the web to communicate or further the things they're passionate about in their spare time, competing against people whos projects benefit an organization or business. Lack of a job title is not grounds for exclusion in the Frebbys and in many industry (any industry) awards events it is.

When I look back on your original entry I see an indictment of Paprika's effort with the Frebby Awards, your perception of collusion amongst a loose-knit group of people that probably don't even talk to each other everyday, and the idea that anyone aside from people that make websites for a living would want to attend it. If that's not what you had intended it to be, that's what it reads as, even on the second and third pass.

Anyways, have a great evening.

@dollgina said...

Oh Jeeez. I just spoke with Travis and realized his "cool kids is weak" was in response to Ed's original post, not your comment, Nerdmom, and then it occurred to me that maybe the same goes for Mike?

So confused.

All I know is you can sit next to me, Nerdmom!!! haha

Ed, thanks for the nice things you said about me. Please make shorter blog posts so I don't get so distracted!! :)

NerdMom said...

DollGina,
Just wanted to let you know that I decided not to go. I have had another all day even pop up for Saturday so I gotta get a night a home this week w/ the hubby & the kids. Didn't want you looking for me;).

Everyone else, we should do some sort of web tweet up some time b4 the next Frebby's!

edluv said...

floyd,
your explanation of why you don't attend awards within your industry makes sense to me, and i think i rings very true to what i've said in my post about awards ceremonies - they only have a limited amount of fun to them.

i'd like to address part of your comment:
"When I look back on your original entry I see an indictment of Paprika's effort with the Frebby Awards, your perception of collusion amongst a loose-knit group of people that probably don't even talk to each other everyday, and the idea that anyone aside from people that make websites for a living would want to attend it"

indictment of paprika? if you're reading any indictment, you're reading it in. yes, i mention that james & alisa & paprika put on the frebbys. they do. but how that is any sort of indictment is beyond me. yes, the overall question the post is about why someone should go, and the question does come from my feelings that there hasn't been a compelling case made. to further that, the whole situation came to a head because someone else, roque, was asking for convincing reasons. i wanted to see if people outside of the frebby team could articulate a convincing argument. i didn't see it on twitter, but some good arguments have been made here, and i've acknowledged them as they've come.

as for collusion, if you're talking about the awards themselves, i never said anything of the such. i did talk about the insular nature of the fresno internet, which i have been a part of. if you're unwilling to admit that there are such circles, well, i don't know what to do. do these people talk every day? probably not in person. but do they tweet each other daily? some of them. do they comment on each others' facebook pages? sure. beehive? you bet. i'm not even saying that the existence of such groups is bad. all i am saying is that when i hear that i should be there because the all the cool kids are going, i want a deeper reason. and, as i said earlier, some deeper reasons have come out.

thanks for dialoging. i hope everyone that goes enjoys the event.

Dale Stewart said...

Ed, Thoughtful and fair analysis of the Frebby Awards. You seemed to have struck a nerve with some people. Keep up the good work!

edluv said...

thanks dale. i'm a bit surprised that my post was misrepresented by some folks, and parts were taken out of context, but i guess it happens.

i hope that as the frebbys continues on that they can take something positive from this discussion.